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Tuesday, November 07, 2006

goddamn bigots

Bigotry

A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles or identities differing from their own.

Bigot is often used as a pejorative term against a person who is obstinately devoted to their prejudices even when these views are challenged or proven to be false.

I wrote this on p3 yesterday and I really think you should go and read it, even though wordpress messed up the paragraphs. Beatroot's responded to it, and I'd be interested to hear your views.

It's important.


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Anonymous Anonymous said...

(SLD gay guide..)

http://i.wp.pl/a/f/jpeg/9047/rojszyk_biedron.jpeg

SLD election campaign sponsored by the EU "anti homophobia fund"....

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http://www.innastrona.pl/bq_ulotka.phtml

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Becca do you really think young 12,13,14 years old girls and boys must know all about "urine sex" and other sex practices ????????

do you really think the "homophobic catholic polish children" become better human beings if they know all about sex practices ???

i do NOT think so.

I think the so called "Anti-homophobia Campaigns" lead to something like that..

http://forums.4aynrandfans.com/index.php?showtopic=1419&mode=linear

....because they do not fight against "homophobia" but make very primitive homosexual propaganda.
if you wanna fight against homophobia you should engage neutral psychologists and not SLD party members or gays (or both in one person).

bye...

3:41 pm  
Blogger Becca said...

Anon I have absolutely no idea what you are referring to when you say 'urine sex' in connection with homosexuality. I do however think that children should be given broad sex education, as it leads to fewer unwanted pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases, whether through gay or straight sex.

Yes, I believe that any child who is taught not to discriminate against another person because of his or her sexual preferences is a better human being than someone who believes, and more importantly who acts upon the belief that homosexuals are evil and unnatural.

Homosexuality is not something that can be 'spread' as the vast majority of homophobes seems to believe. The argument that teaching about homosexuality will somehow encourage people to 'adopt homosexuality' is pitiful. It may stop people from being ashamed of part of who they are however, which is nothing if not positive.

I have been long aware of homosexuals, homosexual acts, homosexual lifestyles and look! I'm not gay!

4:03 pm  
Blogger Gustav said...

Anon -

Not that I'm an expert, but last I heard, "urine sex" is performed by heterosexuals too.

So why on earth would that have anything to do with an anti-discrimination youth project?

???

4:38 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I have absolutely no idea what you are referring to when you say 'urine sex' in connection with homosexuality."

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Yo are 100% right !

i have no idea ,TOO ! :)

..but if you look at the four "anti homophobia" brochures ,you will see that they do not fight against homophobia ,but speak about "urine sex" and other things.

And that's what the LPR party does not like in the so called "anti homophobia" campaigns in poland.
And they are 100% right ,because theres a difference between "ANTI homophobia" campaign and "PRO homosexuality and all its sex practices are great and maybe better than heterosexuality...thats why we are all so colorful ,happy and so on..."

4:47 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Homosexuality is not something that can be 'spread' as the vast majority of homophobes seems to believe The argument that teaching about homosexuality will somehow encourage people to 'adopt homosexuality' is pitiful."
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and you are 100% right again.

IT IS pitful ,BUT there is one think that CAN 'spread'.
And it is the idea that "homosexuality" is not exactly the same thing like "heterosexuality" ,but that it is something better ,more colorful ,more happy ,more "IN" ,elitary ,more joyful more intelligent ,more beautyful...and so on.

4:57 pm  
Blogger Gustav said...

So...

This woman was most likely preparing an EU-funded urine-sex promotional.

Right...

Not only are the brochures you cited not pro-homosexual, but informational, they also seem not to be connected to the Kampania Przeciw Homofobii -- which this project was in conjunction with.

I also saw nothing there that said "homosexuality is great and better than heterosexuality". The brochures are colorful so that they'll draw attention -- and maybe someone will read them.

Are you seriously against informing people about how to protect themselves from HIV?

4:57 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gustav ,

heterosexuals do not make brochures about "urine sex" and show them 12 yo girls and boys at school...;)

4:58 pm  
Blogger Gustav said...

Man (or woman),

Nobody becomes homosexual because it is "in". And to claim that it is the "in" thing in Poland is ridiculous. Being forthright about your sexuality in Poland if you are gay has a large chance of getting you killed or at least heavily physically injured.

I think that sometimes people see what they feel is "more" open homosexuality than in the past, and assume that it is some "trend" or that it is "in style" when in reality cultural attitudes have changed enough to allow more gay people to be open about their sexuality. If you see more homosexuals, it's probably because they feel more comfortable with being themselves than they did 20, 10 or even 5 years ago. Not because it's in style.

5:02 pm  
Blogger Gustav said...

heterosexuals do not make brochures about "urine sex" and show them 12 yo girls and boys at school.

You're right anon -- they do it at CHURCH!

Anon, can you link to this story of a homosexual propogating "urine sex" to 12 year old girls (why girls anyway?). I've heard of it before and never seen a single shred of evidence.

5:05 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Are you seriously against informing people about how to protect themselves from HIV?"


No. ,but there are many other possibilities HOW to inform little girls and boys about HIV.
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"I also saw nothing there that said "homosexuality is great and better than heterosexuality".

OK gustav ,lets make an experimetnt ;)

what comes in you mind ,when you hear the word "homosexuals" ?

answer:

a.) normal people ,young and old ,maybe ill ,maybe with HIV ,maybe ugly ,maybe bad ,maybe stupid

b) beautyful ,always young people ,colorful ,intelligent ,dynamic ,healthy ,always happy ,and so on...

5:10 pm  
Blogger Gustav said...

a of course.

Were you expecting a different answer?

5:16 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon, can you link to this story of a homosexual propogating "urine sex" to 12 year old girls (why girls anyway?). I've heard of it before and never seen a single shred of evidence.


http://kobiety-kobietom.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3121

5:18 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Were you expecting a different answer?

...yes.

maybe you are too old and "resistant" ;) but i am 99% sure your children say b)

5:23 pm  
Blogger Becca said...

I am 100% sure his children say no such thing

5:24 pm  
Blogger Krista said...

Becca, I'm posting your piece from P3 on my blog. Hope that's cool...

11:19 pm  
Blogger Becca said...

Of course that's cool. The more people outraged the better :-)

7:56 am  
Anonymous szwed said...

I am with Beetroot on this one = those funds at the disposal of the Ministry have to be distributed somehow, and preferably to the more needy than to the less needy (and just so that we are clear, imho the 'less needy' category certainly includes the Campaign Against Homophobia). Criteria for disbursement, you say? They certainly do have such criteria - they said so in the letter. The current preference is not to aid organisations which promote homosexuality. Full stop. You may not agree with that, and that`s your right in a democracy.

Since as you say you are registered to vote in Poland I suggest you take advantage of the fact and try to vote the people in charge out of the office. You`ll have my support, although not perhaps not for the same reasons.

"These attitudes get me foaming at the mouth with rage, and when I hear Giertych and his cronies have got their way so far..." Steady on. These people (whatever you may think about the policies) are a part of the government of this country (a democratically elected one I might add) and "cronies" does seem a tad inappropriate.

"even accusing organisations of fraud, when the project documents prove otherwise" - any details? I`d like to find out more, if possible.

"Then you can tell me which of the Warsaw candidates is the least homophobic, so I can go out and vote on Sunday." Is that really your only criterion for voting? Then maybe you shouldn`t bother. I will vote for the candidates on the basis of what I hope they will do for the benefit of this city, not on the basis of what they think about gays.

8:41 am  
Blogger Becca said...

No szwed, both you and Beatroot have taken this slightly out of context. I am talking about specific funds for a specific set of projects within a specific EU-wide programme for youth.

There are guidelines about what criteria projects need to fulfill, and assuming they have met those they should be funded under this programme. It does not depend on ministry priorities, just a selection committee applying applications to a standardised selection procedure.

The fact that the committee (composed of increasing numbers of ministry staff) rejected this one project because of homophobic reasons implies there were no technical faults with which it could be rejected. This is ignoring the rules.

As far as the fraud accusation is concerned, it comes from implications during a May press conference. I have a CAH document I can send you if you like but in brief it was an international project 'do we need gender' and despite the national agency approving all the documents, a valuator being impressed with the project and providing positive feedback, and the valuator talking to participants, the ministry said that there had been no participants, a blatant lie.

Of course homophobia is not my only criterion for voting. I was just trying to make a point.

8:56 am  
Anonymous szwed said...

Well, if there are specific guidelines for the disbursement and the Ministry ignored them, at the same time not having the right of virement (love such big words), then they are wrong whatever the reason they gave.

How did the Ministry come to the conclusion there were no participants? If this is too detailed a topic for this forum, my email is mszwedowski@wp.pl, if you have the time to explain.

I still object to your use of the term "cronies" and to what I honestly consider to be a rather overblown and condescending tone of your p3 post (e.g. "We all have a responsibility not to sit back and watch as Poland sinks in a bog of ignorance and discrimination" - perhaps "morass" or "abyss" would be better - they sound even more dramatic).

10:59 am  
Blogger Becca said...

I'll send you the text szwed. I have no idea how the ministry came to that conclusion.

What's wrong with cronies? OK, it's rather a broad term that could be taken in a number of ways, so maybe friends or colleagues or similarly-prejudiced-ministry-officials would have been better... just winding you up.

I'm sorry you saw my post as overblown and condescending. I had intended the effect to be angry and rousing. I'll work on it.

11:14 am  

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